[Ancestralbone]

A few months ago on the Discovery Channel a special aired where they had a Scotland Yard profiler take a look at the case. According to the profiler Patricia Cromwell over looked several things and that the person was not even a doctor. According the evidence the woman profiler examined there is a good chance the murderer did not require medical knowledge to do what he did. The way the victims were butchered were very sloppy cuts and on as clean cuts as was presumed. The profiler said that most likely the killer was someone whom blended in with the people of White Chapel. The profiler said there was a possibility that police walked righ past him while on their way to the crime scene and that was one reason he was never caught. Wish I could remember the name of the program it was interesting and even went into a inquest testimony.

[thekrovakconspiracy]

So I missed this thread somehow, and started a new one - I know, noob move, but I somehow missed it...

anyway, was asking about jack the ripper and his reference to the X factor.

Please see the other post if you have ANY idea what I'm saying.

thanks

[DesQueJ'teVois]

I am very intrigued by the Jack the Ripper case, I think that the true motives, identity, and maybe crucial evidence has been lost in time and that we will never get a true verdict on this case.

I am very interested in two people for possible consideration as the murderer. probably my top one would be Dr. Thomas Neill Cream. if you're not familiar with the name here is a quick bio (quite long, but very interesting):

He was born in Scotland in May 1850, moved to Canada when he was four, and graduated as a medical student with honors from McGill University on March 31, 1876. He worked sometime in Canada as an abortionist (VERY illegal in those days) until the murder of Kate Gardener, despite incriminating evidence, he was let go. Cream then moved to Chicago to continue his business in August 1880 Julia Faulkner died in his hands again. he was arrested but never convicted. Cream then took it upon himself to market his own person elixir to combat epilepsy, Daniel Scott lived by the treatment, and sent his wife to Dr. Cream, they began to have an affair. when Daniel got suspicious Dr. Cream added strychnine to his treatment, he died on June 14, 1881. the officials attributed his death to epilepsy, and cream would have gotten away with it until he made the unexplainable move of ordering his body exhumed, they found traces of strychnine in his system and arrested Dr. Cream, He was imprisoned in the Illinois State Penitentiary at Joliet.

Cream was released on good behavior on July 31, 1891. He took a quick trip to Canada to collect an inheritance of $16,000 and left for England, eventually to end up in the South London slums. Only two days after his arrival, he met a prositute named Matilda Clover, who was later to die from nux vomica poisoning. The same fate befell an Ellen Donworth. But as in his first two murders, Cream was uncharged. Cream was to poison two women: Alice Marsh and Emma Shrivell. He would again have escaped detection, had it not been for another unexplicable action: he took it upon himself to accuse his neighbor of the two murders. He was charged and found guilty of the death of Matilda Clover, and was sentenced to hang on November 15, 1892. It was there that he would perform his last (and perhaps most inexplicable) action. while on the gallows at Newgate moments before he dropped he is said to have yelled "I am Jack..." before the noose broke his neck, leaving it unclear what the rest of that sentence was.

There is one of many outtakes on this event that interests me, and could very well be legitimate. just before Cream was released from Illinois State Penitentiary his father passed away, leaving his eight children a hefty amount each, (Cream inherited $16,000) in those days that could buy almost anything, and a more popular version of this story is that Cream's brother bribed his release, therefor Cream would have been out of prison during the 1888 Ripper murders, while the crooked officials at the prison would have to lie and say that he was indeed in prison until his sentence was over, not being able to admit to a bribe.

another slightly altered version does make more scene, and fits somewhat of a time line. It is said that Dr. Thomas Neill Cream has a partner in his crimes, allowing for one to be in jail, and the other to be out, continuing work. it is said that Cream had the alibi of being in Illinois State Penitentiary while his partner was in London committing the Ripper murders. (Cream may also have just been a mere puppet in this anonymous mans plans) and whilst cream was on the gallows, he may have considered the fact that he was going to die thereby confessing to the Jack the Ripper murders thereby setting the unknown accomplice free.

The other suspect that intrigues be a bit would be James Maybrick, after the Maybrick diaries. forged or not, the dairies must have had some truth in their beings, and if they were indeed forged, the true writer would have clearly known more about the Ripper murders than any other man.

whoever it may be, they certainly had their wish of remaining anonymous, and "giving birth to the 20th century."

[Mr. Cold]

I doubt Jack The Ripper was medically trained. His methods seemed no more meticulous than something I could do and I only have experience gutting and quartering deer (I don't hunt anymore though).

The real headache of the Jack The Ripper case is you can dig and dig for all the facts you can, but it's unlikely anyone will ever know the truth. Jack (or "The Jacks" if you want to get ellaborate) probably took it to his grave.

Don't you find murdering prostitutes particularly heinous? I mean, don't they have it rough enough (pun fully intended)?

[asylum_souljah]

I agree, I dont think we will ever know - there is nothing left but speculation.

Even if there was a deathbed confession - anyone who knew is long gone now.

He spawned a truely methodical and ruthless genre of killer though (although no doubt they were around before Jack) - and I still cant believe people get away with being serial killers today.

[Tin Foil Princess]

The two murders of 30 September 1888 gave the letter greater importance and to underline it the unknown correspondent again committed red ink to postcard and posted it on 1 October. In this communication he referred to himself as 'saucy Jacky...' and spoke of the "double event......." He again signed off as Jack the Ripper. The status of this correspondence is still being discussed by modern historians.

Looks like a Female did this post card - IMO .

[asylum_souljah]

I dunno Chelles, a lot of educated men wrote like that back then too.

Calling himself 'saucy jacky' sounds like a rather feminine assessment of himself though, but I just think thats the difference between deportment from back then and now.

[Tin Foil Princess]

Were these " working girls " or Prostitutes that were killed ? We had a man killing our prostitutes , he said he was Cleaning our streets.

[asylum_souljah]

I thought 'working girls' and prostitutes were the same thing?

These I would definitely call prostitutes.

[Tin Foil Princess]

Guy and I watched a movie this week all out this. It was something with HELL in the title ? I watched it , he fell asleep . In his defense
LOL he said he had watched it before : ) .

[Ancientwarrior]

Off Duty Cop, on 20 July 2006 - 11:34 PM, said:

I believe he was a Police Officer, or someone acting on behalf of the police. The motive? Either the prostitutes had blackmail on someone high up in the chain of command, or they suddenly refused to pay kickbacks for protection.

you are right eddy was the killer ,and was helped by chief warren and abeline

[Ancientwarrior]

lilpeanut, on 20 July 2006 - 11:34 PM, said:

I am very intrigued by Jack ol boy. I know one lady wrote a book on him with quite a bit of evidence and I am not sure was it Patricia Cornwell? Not sure, but she says she can 100% identify who he was.
I personally think he was either a doctor/surgeon to be able to cut the way he did, or someone who embalmed and cut open things for a living. Apparently he was very skilled with his cutting and taking out the organs.
What did he do with the organs?

prince albert victor was the killer and he practiced his killings on newly dead bodies at the gravyard

[Ancientwarrior]

Off Duty Cop, on 29 July 2006 - 02:19 PM, said:

There are a large number of theories out there, and after doing a little research, I thought I'd share some ideas with you that make me come to the conclusion that Jack the Ripper was a Police Officer.

1) During the murders, the Metropolitan Police stepped up foot patrols in the White Chapel district, putting more officers on the street in that district than ever before. With all of these Officers walking a beat, it would have been increasingly hard for a stranger to lurk in and out of the alleyways at night. UNLESS, the killer was someone the officers in the area all knew, such as a uniformed officer or detective. If a patrolman came across another officer walking out of an alleyway in the middle of the night, he'd be alot less suspicious of him than he would be of a civilian.

2) Officers in the White Chapel district put gum on the bottom of their shoes in order to silence their footsteps on the cobblestone streets and alleyways, so that the killer couldn't hear them approach. Apparently, the killer was almost as equally silent. Perhaps this is because like his fellow officers, he had placed gum on the bottom of his shoes under the guise of sneaking up on the killer.

3) Almost all of the letters sent to the authorities by persons claiming to be the killer showed an obvious lack of education. Higher education was not important for members of the law enforcement community to have back then like it is today.

4) One mystery victim, in some circles considerd to be a Ripper victim, and in others not thought to be, was found in the basement of the Metropolitan Police Department which was under construction at the time. It would be mighty brazen of a civilian to attempt to sneak into a police headquarters and stash a body, even if it was still under construction.

5) One victim was found mutilated inside of her own home, but I don't believe there were any signs of forced entry. This victim has NEVER been proven to have been a prostitute. With that in mind, if a single woman lives in a neighborhood where a deranged killer is one the loose, how many people is she going to be willing to open her door for in the middle of the night? Unless, of course, her unknown visitor was a uniformed police officer.

6) Immediatelty after the last accepted murder, all of the increased police patrols in White Chapel were called off. Authorities had received no known communication from the killer implying that this murder would be the last, so why would they call off the increased patrols? Perhaps because they had first hand knowledge from one of their own that there would be know more deaths...

read my posts if you will

[Tin Foil Princess]

Ancientwarrior, on 15 January 2011 - 12:36 PM, said:

read my posts if you will

Welcome to PTU 'Ancientwarrior' ! I will read your post now , see you around .

[GRAVEYARDHOUND]

Been on a couple of JTR tours when I go to London and it isn't raining at night. I despise "wet tours" but I've had good "showmen" to lead us about.I don't have any concrete evidence but some of my law enforcement friends have plenty, From what I have read, I can't see the person being anyone important or eaisly recognized.As with most "serial killers", throw logic out the window when trying to figure out why it was done, usually no clear reason, "hatred of prostitutes? more like convenient victums, why did thhe person stop with as few of victums as was done. Better question, what started the killings? and why did they stop just as quickly, Don't credit the police with the stopping. What was/were common factors, aside from occupation and geographical location? Todays "serial killers' one can pass on the street and pay them no mind. They look like everyone else, such could be the case with JTR. I love reading all the speculation as to who it was, why was it done, why/how were locations chosen, etc., etc., etc., and guess what, it could start up again and though thhe science andd police skills have improved, my bet is JTR might still go unknown if he/she, though I doubt it was a woman, is up-to-date on police investigation hardware and scientific advancements. Back then, there weren't any, so to speak. If I'm wrong, I'm here, Convince me.